That should give you a clear view of the people I was running with. It is an  out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ. Phone: (205) 921-0909. Karen Wheaton Ministries 122 Buckhorn Trl Hamilton AL 35570. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("value", formTimeDiff.toString()); I could not believe this woman would manipulate teenagers out of what little money they had with zero shame. webuzy. I was living in perpetual sin and stuck in a cycle. She has toured throughout the U.S. performing at events that also featured preachers and Christian artists such as Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn and the Gaither Homecoming. formElement.addEventListener('submit', appendJsTimerElement, false); I watched 8 years fly by and here I am almost 30. ..for that I have regtrts for not leaving the Pentecostal UPC church and their twisted beliefs. It’s not said point blank but the overall theme is he is one of the only ones preaching the REAL gospel and that type of hyped up emotional message can radicalize ppl in a very dark way. I knew 8 years ago the Ramp was cultish when Damon Thompson tried to barricade 10 thousand ppl in the Chattanooga convention center and the guy I was with told the kids they couldn’t block the exit because it was a fire safety hazard. Let me tell you what type of disillusionment that sets a young person up for. I a hard time paving a lot of things that I saw and learned because their waS definitely a mixture of genuine Christians and imposters. And He set up His church the way He wanted and then wrote it down for us for a blueprint. We believe awakening begins with an encounter. I have no animosity. The Bible is the standard. I am that place where I have made the decision to move away. All the false prophecies and watching friends believed in these lying words to the point it was hurting others and ruining lives. I have a few stories very similar to that one. Your blog has touched me because you wrote about the same thoughts and experiences that I have had. The pentecostal type church isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. Beautifully explained Lynn. I am 40 now and began attending in my mid-twenties so I was around when the ramp was at the 180 building in Cleveland TN, and also at the Christian bookstore. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. This is a very fair, well-written article. I see now I was very wrong. I wont go into the gross details but suffice it to say the dear LORD got us out of there. “What you invest in the lives of other young people, you will reap in your own children. The scripture is right and true even if Charismatic ministers make up doctrine like the “Seven Mountain Teaching”. } Menu & Reservations Make Reservations . } jsTimeInput.setAttribute("id", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); Help. Through our conferences, school of ministry, travel events, social media, broadcast program and multiple church locations, The Ramp engages thousands of people each month with the transforming power of the gospel. As I shared the incident  with other believers in righteous outrage,not one person said a word at that table, Not one. The original posting of this article was about 8 months ago but it caught my eye as I have been researching Karen Wheaton and The Ramp. Thankfully I was w someone who told them it was a fire safety violation to block exits. My daughter was raised in it as well. If you wouldn’t mind checking out my website sometime I would appreciate it. One young boy had to use the restroom and they refused to let him out. I was very hurt that someone deceived me and tagged Gods name to it. formElement.appendChild(jsTimeInput); I was 21 years old when I truly came to know Christ and now I am 40 and let me tell you this stuff gets old. They looked at me like I just kicked a newborn baby off a bridge?! What did you find out from the Word? The Bible can certainly help us to understand how God looks at gender issues. like I had done something wrong? In this movement ministers are worshiped like infallible gods above reproach. Perhaps millions of young Americans (as well as vast numbers of youth around the world) are being brainwashed by a large and growing network of apostate “Church” leaders whom Satan is using to create a generation of heretics. Perhaps it’s because many don’t yet know or understand that themselves and hopefully it’s not because they (church leadership) see the church as a business proposition. There is a lot of good, then there is a web like part. His third wife and church gave him the boot for his sexcapades. I kept up to date on  things going on in the charismatic movement; Scandal after scandal with International House of Prayer (IHOP), Morning star, Hillsong ministries and the list goes on. from HEADJANITOR:. Our flesh will aways lead us on the wide road of destruction , it satisfies for a time, there in lies the disillusionment. Hey, The church is supposed to be a help in the process of doing this, but it’s not to take the place of God. Many believers have been deceived into thinking  if someone exposes a  false teacher they are literally fighting with God himself. I have a VERY similar experience and am encouraged that you’d share yours. Some people never discover that and allow the church, or church organization, to be as an idol to them their entire physical lives. I married my husband, Casey, when I was 18 years old, on Valentine's Day, 2005. Sorry about some of the typos above. Like you said there is definitely a conditioning that takes place and I think that we’ll meaning people even play a part in it. Completely His direction as I asked and it bore witness with my spirit. I think she’s deceived and in turn is deceiving others. They were engaged within a month and within two months had broken off their engagement because God apparently spoke to her again and told her  ” No “. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. if(formElement.addEventListener){ Anyway I saw the light after that terrible experience and got out of that charasmatic( recognised church) . jsTimeInput.setAttribute("autocomplete", "off"); Most of these people didn’t even know the word much less if God was speaking. It strays far from biblical teaching but yet it is wrapped in Christian language. You will be harshly snubbed. But the outing turned black for a different reason. I sat down with him and he told me that he heard that I had a demon. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. It put an enormous focus on the gifts of the spirit such as speaking in tongues/prophecy and how we were the Elijah generation and we would walk in signs and wonders and how that would cause this great revival. Book. I have been enjoying reading about the revivals of the past when God impacted communities without any involvement of man. You are  considered judgmental, divisive and condemned for stirring up dissension among the brethren which is them taking scripture completely out of context to stay unaccountable, complacent and feeling good about their extreme idol worship. Quiet meditation, formal structured services and order are more helpful. Phone: (205) 921-0909. Often churches are made up of what various people, even godly people, believe is to be the correct interpretation of what the scriptures tell us. The Great Commission in Mark is, not Marcus. Prayers that ur search for growth in spirituality evolves and younfind the peace in which I have over the years….Peace and Light….thank u for sharingbur story and it gives peace to many hearing the truths regarding Pentecostal- Holiness type churches. Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God. My Account; Wishlist; Help; Email Signup; Cart (0) items Checkout. I listened to a few of his very recent teachings and he says he used to preach to thousands but he left it all. What areas of ministry training are you interested in? Worship Media Performing Arts Visual Arts Missions. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); I became increasingly aware that the preachers I was listening to used bible scriptures here and there but mainly they talked of their own experiences and turned it into doctrine. We rightly understand things through the light of Gods Word. At the moment my words are few because I still have to process and come to terms with everything. I moved to be near the Brownsville revival and ran off to see Lakeland nonsense when it was published in Charisma magazine. IMO, much of southeastern Pentecostalism places too much emphasis on feelings. Please don’t get caught up in the doctrines of demons on the other side of the path. Email: Store@theramp.org jsTimeInput.setAttribute("value", formTimeDiff.toString()); Thompson is under the direction of false prophetess Karen Wheaton Towe. Hear about sales, receive special offers & more. I loved my friends but my heart was far from God. This is not a sustainable way to live. Edit them in the Widget section of the. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when a super  Christian guy I was dating and who had become deeply imbedded in this movement broke up with me because God told him too. CONNECT WITH US ON … Jewish people are more open to the gospel than at any time in history. Bethel Reddings visions have filtered into that movement and they do grave soaking. They sent one of their big leaders to me to sort me out, he said I was only fit to be thrown on a dung hill, then in passing he asked to see some of my paintings. if (null !== cumulatedTimeElement) { Shirts. They have forsaken me the fountain of living waters and are drawing from cracked cisterns which hold no water. All rights reserved. They are deceived and in turn go about deceiving others. How God had great and mighty plans for my generation and how he was going to use us in a MIGHTY way. Then I began to read His Word….truly studying His Word. I sought God for years for understanding, after all it is all based on love or at least appears to be ? } Support It’s Supernatural! formElement.addEventListener('submit', appendJsTimerElement, false); Here is how it was shown to me; If i look for love and put my hope and desires in another human, no matter the gender or preference of interest, i will aways be led off the narrow path. The church is sort of like a school. let formTimeDiff = Math.floor((new Date).getTime()/1000) - FORM_TIME_START; This is my therapy. Jesus is The Lord, the church may be a good place and be very well meaning, but it’s not the Lord. This evil woman who lead the group started saying, I had a eating disorder or that I was sexually abused. I am so grateful that I read the NT when I came to know the Lord it helped me to stay grounded and ultimately saved me from this movement. Thank you for sharing your experience. Paul say’s it is better to remain single so we may wholeheartedly serve God with all of our hearts, a servant heart is the only way to be truly fulfilled. Wow, that is nutty but unfortunately not uncommon. Not John McAurther or Todd Bentley. That’s what the Bible says about false teachers. How God was going to send a great revival which didn’t make sense to me because the bible taught of a great apostasy the polar opposite. The N.A.R , 7 Mountain mandate and New Apostles and prophets doctrine they have conjured up are False doctrines that promote spiritual elitist mentality, I certainly saw a lot of Christian super-stars being lifted up. Generation X marks the spot was the trending evangelical phrase in those days. When Karen and I divorced in 1995 we signed an agreement that the details of our divorce were not to be discussed or published. In that moment I said God I’m singing these words to you but I don’t mean it; help me to mean it And he did. I am not condemning all the preachers you mentioned, but a lot of the ones you mentioned aren’t typical, IMO, of the Pentecostal movement. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. I have also noticed music is a main attraction in church; It has replace bible studies. Through the years I didn’t buy into many of the man-made traditions we had adopted like falling on the floor or thinking one had to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit nonetheless I went along with it because I didn’t think it was hurting anyone. If we give in to our own hurt or bitterness and place it above the scripture then we are at risk of going into deception. There are plenty of smaller churches that don’t have the blacklights and don’t follow that style. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. They did the “hot seat” where you sit in a chair and people pray over you and ask the Holy Spirit what he saying. We believe awakening begins with an encounter. God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. if (null !== formElement) { It’s wonderful to know we are not alone. He has flaky interpretations of scripture w his “God given revelations/visions” and it can turn really negative. } My wife and I have surely been hurt over the years with some of the garage that goes on. I gave my life to the Lord having heard her testimony, so charasmatic Christianity was all new to me, I was church of Ireland.For me despite being pretty and tallented i had a huge void in my heart and I knew that when I heard about Jesus , He was the only one who could fill the void. Welcome to Christianbook.com ®! Half a torn map with a cigarrette burn where Orlando is supposed to be is ‘in part.’ Those are two different things. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("autocomplete", "off"); if (null !== cumulatedTime && cumulatedTime > 0) { And the anger… oh the anger. (The Lord saved me “in spite of” not “because of” the movement) Because I was SO thankful to God for saving me I truly wanted to give my all in service to the church. It’s one of the main things that I realized that helped me come to my senses and wash my hands of the movement. if (null === formElement) { All the false prophetic words I have heard through the years and was still hearing. Also there are no “A”postles and “P”prophets in the church today. Book. That explains why there are so many churches and different types of churches. Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement. $15.00. Carnal desire and romantic love fades and becomes so secondary as you grow older and learn with heartache and experience that human love is so failing BUT GOD. It is a very disorienting thing to walk away from a long held belief and a system you have promoted and loved for many years. To tell someone they don’t have the Holy Ghost if they don’t speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation. I find some of the people involved in these churches to be really good people who are earnestly seeking the Lord. For 35 years they’ve received salvation, deliverance and healing in response to the awesome presence of God. if (null !== cumulatedTime && cumulatedTime > 0) { My family had faithfully served God for generations. Among other hurtful things. if(formElement.addEventListener){ One of the greatest resources that helped me through this difficult time has been others sharing their stories and so I am compelled to share mine. I now know it is manufactured, carnal and the tool Satan is using to raise up false converts with zero knowledge of the Word. Neither gender nor sexual desires can be a foundation for true love and fulfillment. I did not like my carnal life. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. Thank you. Show me a man with a sign gift that can perform miracles today and I’ll show you an Apostle…. formElement.attachEvent('onsubmit', appendJsTimerElement); But it dos taint my children from religion and church To hear Karen’s radio interview, go here. Went to a bible study at someone’s home who was in leadership. He is completely dependent on having the holly spirit inside of him, anytime he feels it’s not inside of him he feels depressed and can’t function. formElement = document.getElementById("0"); We must not consider what ‘all theses things’ to be added are for this has no matter , His righteousness is our matter. His story helped me as well. You can use them to display text, links, images, HTML, or a combination of these. I don’t need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. We were all conference junkies running to whatever new “move of God” Charisma magazine was publishing that month. It’s a small world. } else if(formElement.attachEvent){ It became dark and cultish in a way that was scary. Don’t be or stay mad at the church. Oddly enough I had to leave church to get mentally/emotionally healthy. I got up and walked out. After coming out of all of that the Lord sent me a true friend ,a Christian lady who helped me recover , her husband and her were in the same church and he (her husband had been very abusive ),she however had a strong faith in the Lord and took me under her wing, together we prayed and what a battle ensued as we sought to leave that church, it was Spiritual warfare with a capital S. They came at us from every quarter , including her husband. Me too left movement at age 20 and is now 25 years ago. I have not walked away from my faith in Christ, only what I now consider false teaching and a system that is overtaken with false prophets and corruption. This stuff is so far removed from biblical teaching it’s outrageous. She has been called for this hour to awaken the gifts and anointing that too often lie dormant in us. All we would have to do is swap names and your story would become mine. I am exceedingly wary of much that purports to be of God and long to see a real move of God accompanied by conviction of sin and a resulting holiness. Look up bob jones and how the “angel Gabriel” appeared to him giving him the same false doctrines Karen teaches. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion. 2019-02-09T01:41:33-05:00. Thank God you had the strength and wisdom to leave, many people don’t. All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context. I didn’t know if I could possibly  sit in another “Amost there, about to happen moments” at church it was starting to get under my skin. It is SO hard to have this conversation with those who are deceived by it. if (null === formElement) { I came across your article and wanted to reach out to you. I loved church fellowship and dressing up for church. If we believe the teaching of any man over the scripture then we are at risk of going into great deception. ( Log Out /  One incident occurred when Judy Jacobs a famous TBN minister got up at the Ramp in a prideful arrogant tone and demanded the young kids at the Ramp (Youth Ministry)  dig down deep in their pockets to give money for an offering so Karen Wheaton could buy a Bentley! I’ve also lived abroad a lot and my not have my thumb on the pulse of what is going on. Very enlightening to some of the same questioned I have about the this movement not rightly dividing the word the word of truth the that come from the seducing spirit that would cause the falling away in the last days. Shop for Karen Wheaton in category Accompaniment Tracks and much more. Never have I been so hurt in my life. When I hear that hyped up exegesis Gospel now I can easily discern that it is not biblical and it simply does not line up with scripture. The Ramp is a global ministry with a passion and mission to awaken a generation, equip them for their purpose, and send them out to change their world. I hope you can see the email I put in. The Ramp was founded by Karen Wheaton and is headquartered in Hamilton, Alabama. I have come to realize it was like living in a bomb shelter cut off from society. Your word is TRUTH God. It is the hardest part. You’ll only ruin it’. Phone: (205) 921-0909. Those of a more sensitive nature or those prone to depression or therapy will not find it conducive to their mental wellbeing. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles. There are none and there doesn’t need to be. I don’t endorse the whole movement. Mind you he left me sitting in a worship service for 45 minutes to chat with another girl that he ended up dating weeks later. Just different. It didn’t die for our sins or hang on the cross for anybody. I was listening to Bethel worship, Hill songs, all the cutting edge worship. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. Enter email address. I have a lot of thoughts on this but am still wrestling with how to articulate them. Jeremiah 29:13 (KJV) For detailed proof of his false prophecies and teachings go to -- haLUNACY. You learn to keep your opposing views to yourself. 230 Fax (514) 394 - 9449 camps@hockeyministries.org REGISTRATION FEES AND PAYMENT If you are registering after April 15th **note this date is now May 20th due to covid-19 **, please note that the camp fee increases by $20 to support rush processing … I became a Christian in the 1980 s after coming to London to attend art college, I had a portrait in the National gallery in London and that was sucess as a young teenager, i had also been approached by people who were scouting for up and coming miss irelands in beauty pageants because they had seen my picture in newspapers .London was a big place for a teenager from the sticks in Ireland, so i got in touch with a friend who recently became a Christian and was living in London and at art college. I was going through the motions. The Lord gives us a clear blueprint in the scripture of how the church should be. Lynn, could you please expand your answer regarding what you found out about gender orientation? But yeah…good read and blessings to you. As much as I loved my friends, I did not feel we had the same convictions about where we were in life. I too have seen major abuses in the Charismatic church. Here’s my info. These three simultaneous events sent me running back to my bible. } Often we just mature and wherever we are at has served it’s purpose and it’s time to move on. I was in agreement then, and . I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying. I wish I could Edit above but I can’t. Those ministries … Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything,  I would call it positive philosophy. Many times there was no biblical backing for their claims. 893 likes. We’ve seen them set free from sin, addiction, depression, suicide and bondage. I realize that being around that makes people mentally and emotionally unstable. ( Log Out /  I mean we were God chasers after all, soooo benevolent we were in great pursuit of God. Its this  idea that some magical  epic event will transpire in the distant future and THEN you will have “arrived” into your destiny moment. I think he needs therapy. Contact Information ... Marilyn Hickey, Betty Robinson, Beverly LaHaye, Arlene & C. Courtney Henderson, Karen Wheaton, Christie Harvey and Gail Riplinger. P.O. They might not call it ‘false prophecy.’ They misuse the verse that says, ‘we prophesy in part’ to mean it is okay to prophesy in error. I just don’t want to see you disregard Biblical truth on the account of all the junk out there. If you try to have an objective biblical conversation about something that may not be ok, people tend to either make light of what you said or just blankly acknowledge that you said something and happily carry on. That should give you a clear view of the people I was running with. Oh yes, we were always ALMOST THERE, wherever there was. I do have a question for you: What do you know about The Wilderness Society and Carolina Revival that Damon Thompson is now running out of a small church in rural South Carolina? It was a pattern, one that bothered me. In my article I mentioned a culmination of Incidents that drove me back to the Bible. That in itself should be enough for any christian to realize that it’s a toxic environment and get away. Email: Store@theramp.org I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me. I studied the difference between exegesis and isagesis teachings and watched the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur which helped tremendously to explain what I was looking at. Karen Wheaton WikiVisually 2020. I have found so many more people who know and have ALWAYS known Pentecostal theology is horrible. I would pour out my heart to God in prayer over it. They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. I agree that well meaning people are deceived. I was raised in church my entire life. const FORM_TIME_START = Math.floor((new Date).getTime()/1000); Um.. no! It is a common practice to protect  corrupt ministers. I was into Benny hinn and hill song and Friday home fellowships and integrity music and God knows what. } I guess this has been a long time coming. My experience with the ‘signs and wonders’ or ‘prophetic movement’ is that the churches and conference I have attended can be rather light on the Bible. I watched Damon Thompson grow extremely arrogant and young folks esteem him like a God. Judy Jacobs is a sent one. But then my real troubles began, they the (church ) i attended stripped me of any confidance , i became controlled and manipulated. I thought to myself, after all of this I feel no closer to God. I could not believe how many Scriptures were taught incorrectly from the pulpit.

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