Invaluable is the world's largest marketplace for art, antiques, and collectibles. It said that late in life, Homer had become a recluse in Maine, so I was curious as to how and where he would've met up with the Blakes to do "Children" in the first place. Taking the search further they realised that one of the other paintings found, had a connection to Homer, and the search was on to try and find out more about the story. She has even been visited by the Police, who claim she may be prosecuted for theft! Nell Rose (author) from England on September 13, 2014: I would seek out a lawyer pro bono or on fixed fee, and challenge Sotheby's... for wrongful possession. I felt an instant dislike to the great grandson and his attitude to toward the family. We're they 'garbage picking' in the tip but too proud to admit it and claimed that they were outside the gates? It sounds like Selina has done pretty well out of this, and good luck to her! Just over a year later, the Blake family allege that they have found documents, letters that mention the party that the children had gone too, and the description of the clothes they were wearing in the Painting. There's no way it should be given to them. [4] He gave the painting to his daughter Selina Varney. Selina believes that as her father found it, and kept it for 20 years, without anyone claiming it, then it belongs to her. "Finders keepers" does not apply in all situations or jurisdictions. Without an injuction, without any form off proof, the other party had stopped the sale! On retrospect. As far as Tony was concerned it was just another pretty water colour that happened to have been thrown away. that's the contention I think, yes those lawyers must be raking in the money by now, thanks so much for reading, nell. Sigh. I think its gone on far too long now, the sad thing is if she hadn't taken it onto the TV programme in the first place then nobody would have known about the other claimants, and it would have been over and done with now. At storage and management fees rates of an expensive painting like this she can charge 3000 pounds a year for over 20 years. It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune? He soon turned his talent to oil painting. I did email them a couple of years ago, but refused to tell me anything.Thanks for reading. Looking over the Cliff is work by artist Winslow Homer from United States, is antique Various Paintings for sale. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. After the initial shock, Tony decided to let the Antiques Roadshow investigate how such a great Painting could end up on a rubbish dump in Ireland. Join Facebook to connect with Clifford J. Schorer and others you may know. The work was painted in the Bahamas in 1885. Thanks! Who really does own this painting? Sotheby's. According to Wikipedia, in October 2013 The London Evening Standard reported that Shirley Rountree (Simon's mother) was suing Sothebys for the return of the painting. Sir Henry Arthur Blake had been the Governor of the Bahamas from 1884 to 1887. No one will ever know. I take umbrage with Simon Murray’s comments accusing Selina of wanting the money to buy a swimming pool and cars while he’s the one saying he needs the money for renovations! It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune? On searching for the history of the painting, Sotheby's had managed to find the Blake family, and explained to them about the find. to be worth 100,000 when he would know that she originally expected to make 30,000 on the sale (the figure quoted on the Antiques Roadshow). The fact is, this watercolor, unframed, was tucked away in the pages of a scrapbook and it's more than likely the family tossed it out with no idea anything valuable was in it, which is their problem. Since they have a standard of not marketing anything without complete agreement on authenticity by their panels, I was out of luck. Tony Varney, a fisherman and his daughter Selina, had gone fishing at his local spot, in County Cork, Ireland. I can't believe it's taking this long for the courts to declare who the rightful owner actually is. He then went on to make an insulting remark about Selina and her family. Then for the next 20 years he forgot about them. Thanks for sharing a story that you made easy to understand. This man, who comes from a family that is so wealthy they can jet of around the world just when they feel like it, belittles Selina, who is a kind and loving mother. Chances are the painting would have been crushed by the garbage truck's jaws and deposited at the nearest dump. As they walked past, Tony spotted just outside the dump, a few old pictures thrown down on the ground. This is a real life 'Goldfinch". Thanks for reading. the insurance would definitely have proved it so yes they should have records. Lies, falsehoods, theft..... and Mum was 90, all to make her change her will. Origin. [4], The painting was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV programme, Fake or Fortune? Clifford Schorer is on Facebook. thanks for the update! [4] Mr. Mould took it to New York to be sold by Sotheby's. I got interested again after reading about Winslow Homer in a coffee table book about a San Antonio TX couple's collection of 26 Impressionist paintings they'd loaned to the Smithsonian's art gallery in Washington, D.C. Home to the Blakes. Those who have not, have not, but those who have want more.... Nell Rose (author) from England on November 30, 2014: Hi Funda, I totally agree with you, I keep looking for news on this but nothing seems to have happened, and its quite a long time now, its disgusting how they have been treated, thanks so much for reading, nell. While Sotheby's stated that they had let the Blakes know about the painting, and they had no objection to the sale, the Blakes had then decided weeks later that actually they did know it had been stolen and were interested in what was happening. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 01, 2017: Hi Pelleas, no sorry. not so much being British as well, learning my lesson. It's a page turner indeed. Remember, they had the painting for 20 years. Presumably, the proceeds will be used to repay the loan. It is a shame that an agreement - say 50/50 - could not have been achieved - thereby saving a lot of legal fees and stress. The party was also attended by Winslow Homer who was asked by Lady Blake to sketch the children. After colonial service in Jamaica and Hong Kong, the Blakes retired to Myrtle Grove in Youghal, County Cork, Ireland. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 14, 2020: Not sure what you mean by Goldfinch? [9], At a later date, the painting was placed on the Art Loss Register, operated by a commercial company based in London which charges a fee to register stolen paintings. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 29, 2013: Hi JamaGenee, great to see you! Other than money, what can Simon and his obviously-greedy mother hope to gain by continuing the legal battle for ownership? At this point, it shouldn't be the people who tossed the scrapbook out along with the painting it contained and are now claiming it was stolen -- that claim is obvious horsehockey, based on the greed of someone who is already wealthy. lol! The painting was not framed and was subsequently included among a number of works by Lady Blake who was herself an amateur artist. IF (and for only two letters, that's a very big word) Simon Murray's very convenient photocopies of his great-great-granny's diary mention that Winslow Homer promised to present her with a "sketch" of her three children in their costumes from the ball. Do you know of any updates surrounding this story? Good luck with it, as you can see by the Series, it can eventually be done but it does take time, good luck and thanks for reading. In this exciting new monograph, Professor Griffin provides fresh insight into the life and work of one of America's most-famous and best-loved artists. Olive subsequently married John (Jack) Arbuthnot who wrote some of the Beachcomber columns. At the same time, they decided to put it up for sale at Sotheby's. Shauna L Bowling from Central Florida on August 19, 2020: Nell, I didn't see any mention of a police report for the alleged theft of the painting (that no one even remembered until its value became known). It is quite possible that what was presented to the governor's wife was a preliminary sketch, from which Homer painted his work to sell back in the United States. For example, some art works acquired (?stolen) by the Nazis before and during WWII from Jewish families, have been returned to descendants after expensive court cases. It's been awhile, but I still think Sotheby's KNOWS its jewels are in a wringer because they didn't do the all important due diligence and verify the provenance of the painting BEFORE agreeing to include it in an auction. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer.It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune?. [16], "€110k Winslow Homer painting is 'a steal, Searchlight on Harbor Entrance, Santiago de Cuba, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Children_Under_a_Palm&oldid=994326926, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, limitation, by the automatic time-barring of claims —, This page was last edited on 15 December 2020, at 03:43. In November 2013, a new claimant for ownership of the painting emerged. thanks for reading, nell. thanks, looks like selena and new hubby are off to a new york court very soon. Picking up something at the dump, I certainly would not report it to the police. This does not need litigation. Join Facebook to connect with Clifford Schorer and others you may know. Copyart collectie van Winslow Homer's schilderijen bestaat uit de meest populaire kunstwerken van deze schilder, die beschikbaar zijn op Bimago winkel. Thanks for reading. Kunstenaar: Winslow Homer - alle werken van deze kunstenaar als kunstdruk, als olieverfschilderij of op dibond/acrylglas. Now, how on earth did Selina get in hock with this other guy? thanks so much for reading. Selena has been openly discussing it. Nothing really to add, Selena has got a loan on the painting with a third party who now has claim on the painting, she owes this guy a considerable sum. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 05, 2020: Thanks Imogen, the Fake or Fortune programme this was on is probably the most famous. lol! You are so right! Blessings, Audrey. Hallo, Inloggen. Family obviously think that they could treat her the way they like since they have the money and status. I do wish we could get a more up to date answer though. Ignored Sotheby's advice it would be sold. Clifford Schorer says Selena Varney (used the painting as security for a loan. it will be interesting to see what happens next! So many people around the world have commented on it. After a statutorily defined period of time, it's too late to shout "Theft, theft!" In my case, five of the six experts on their assessment panel were certain that my painting was a genuine Jane Peterson, and the sixth was adamant that, while an original artwork, my painting was by some unknown other artist who signed as J. Peterson. There should be a new encyclopedia entry under "hypocrisy" with his ugly face and his ugly name. Nobody had ever reported it missing, or stolen. What a mystery. Joanna McKenna from Central Oklahoma on December 29, 2013: Hey, Nell! So surely the law just has to decide whether if you throw something away, have you a claim to it now? Thanks for reading. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 23, 2014: Hi Todd, I totally agree with everything you say, its just plain stupid, and as for the remark about swimming pools etc I was so mad when I heard him say it! C. Flores! thanks for reading, nell. She was on holiday, and just happened to find it when she was looking for something in the said paper! This woman and her Dad are the legitimate owners, and left it foar too late to cause this chaos. When Tony Arrived, he was told that the other pictures were not valuable, but there was one that could well be worth in the excess of 30,000 pounds, approx 50,000 dollars. When an Artist paints, he is thinking about the subject, but not of the aftermath. So, I say that he's out of luck, as well. The courts of three countries (Ireland, England, and the USA) are involved - each having their own interpretations of "ownership". LOL! They did the right thing but the real mystery is how did they come to be there? After the initial shock, Tony decided to let the Antiques Roadshow investigate how such a great Painting could end up on a rubbish dump in Ireland. . Hello! On either side of her are her younger brothers, Maurice and Arthur. Hi Mary, yes it was wasn't it? thanks again, and have a great weekend, nell. She was really looking forward to the sale, not just for the money, but because of the whole experience. Sadly, there isn't any change on the horizon. thanks for reading, nell. I do understand both parties. And you'd mentioned a more equitable split would make sense vs. the decade+ standoff. Thanks for reading. As she has not repaid the loan, his lawsuit claims he's the rightful owner. Her Dad found this dumped, no police report, no insurance claim. lol! He loaned Selena an undisclosed amount of money for the transfer of ownership. It is a simple mediator trick. Without a police report how can the Blakes claim it as theirs? thanks for reading, nell. One other thing that I think should be mentioned. The items had, in some cases, gone through a number of owners who bought them in good faith. What a little pig he is. Clifford Schorer says he loaned Rendall an unspecified amount of money in 2012, and she backed the loan with the painting - which is estimated to be worth as much as $250,000. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 11, 2019: Thanks, Ana, I totally agree. Being most profficient in both water colours and oil, he soon became very well known. [4] Mr. Murray, however, holds that Sotheby's never discussed the painting with his family and that his mother was unaware of the sale until she saw a report in the Telegraph. I think there must be a statute of limitations of some sort in this case -- you shouldn't be able to suddenly report a theft 25 years after the fact and establish ownership of an object as stolen goods that are rightfully yours. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 30, 2015: Thanks angiiii, I try to keep it polite on here, I have learned my lesson in the past! He learned that the work, Children Under a Palm Tree, had most likely been painted by Winslow Homer. Now he tells Selena Varney, give me 70-75% of any money raised and I'll allow the sale to go ahead. [4] On the day of the sale, however, Mr. Murray changed his mind. You can see how out of synch her comments are. We saved it. But Selina held onto her dignity by not responding. Property that has been abandoned does not belong to anyone and the legal owner who has abandoned it cannot later change their mind when they discover its true worth. If the courts decide the picture belongs to the Blakes, it is a loss to to Schorer, not Selena. Where have we gone wrong in the world, where politicians become fat cats who are self serving, and show no example for the poor or wealthy on the planet. Homer had then given their descendants the actual Painting like a gift. Then how do we know that Mr Murray hasn’t sold the painting, taken it to the pound shop or tipped it away? But yes I totally agree with you, I never ran a pub but worked in one and yes hard work! Nell Rose (author) from England on March 05, 2018: Its a weird situation Paul. The Blakes are entitled to nothing. In addition she can also charge any legal fees, any interest lost from the drawn out legal process lost from the original sale, or devaluation of the artwork due to a withdrawn sale at the auction by the Blakes. In fact Tony Varney and Selina, were more interested in the history of the piece. He lived a fascinating life; working as a commercial illustrator, an artist-correspondent for the Civil War, being published on commemorative stamps and achieving financial success as a fine artist. [4] They confirmed the attribution and valued it at over $100,000. And I fully disagree with the author regarding splitting the proceeds. The home where Homer lived and worked from 1883 … Born in 1836, Winslow Homer is regarded by many as one of the greatest American painters of the 19th century. Account en lijsten Retourzendingen en bestellingen. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 24, 2020: Thanks GS. And the family barrister is just using that story as leverage in what amounts to an extortion of money from the rightful owner of the painting. With the new series just started I hope we get to see something about this, maybe the last in the series as an update, fingers crossed! In 1859 he opened a studio in New York City. What a roller coaster ride for Selina ! This painting was so important they did not know it was missing. Who knows. As you can imagine, he was stunned. The story starts on a day way back in the 1980s. So, if the painting does end up with the Blakes, she's got a big debt around her neck. Selina and Tony were given the great news. [1] It measures 14 inches by 20 inches and depicts the three children of Sir Henry Blake, the colonial governor of the Bahamas at the time. After the sale was stopped, Selina and her family spend the next year trying every way to get Justice. Doesn't make sense, does it?! I do wish they would do an update, it is very frustrating though. Selina refused the offer. I find Murray's comments on how Selina would spend the money on a swimming pool etc. Selina and her father, have been offered 25 per cent of the sale, and the rest of the money is to go to the Drakes. But it does seem that the financial gain goes to the lawyers. Born on February 24 1836, he was well known for painting marine subjects. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 16, 2020: If this were maritime law, she's have salvage rights and claim against the paintings for rescuing them from certain ruin. To behave as though this painting is his family's property simply because a long dead family member is depicted in the painting and to also assert that it was stolen decades ago and should be returned to him without providing any evidence of a contemporary police report of it being reported missing, is an aristocratic pompousness un-befitting the modern age. He died on September 29 1910. I know where these lot are going. Even if the diary is not a forgery, it only proves that Lady Blake received a "sketch", which might only be a preliminary version of the watercolor, and not the painting at issue, and the diary does not prove that the painting, if that is what it was, was not given away, bartered, sold or discarded. Mainly bought at garage sales, charity shops and so on. The sketch for it, perhaps, as Edith Blake's diary attests. In 1987, the painting, along with a work by Lady Blake and other material related to the Blake family, was found by Tony Varney while fishing in Ireland. He was born and raised in the Cambridge area, Boston, MA, and the first work he did in the field of art, was working as a print maker, in Boston, as well as … but the new owner still has a long way to go. Some artists work on a sketch or two, and then go on to their final painting, much as a writer will work on a draft. After being bought by a third party it is no longer Selina's problem, but I would imagine it is still being disputed. Winslow Homer began his art career in 1854 or 1855 as an apprentice to J. H. Bufford, a lithographer in Boston. It only takes one to mess up the whole reality of the situation. Either way the original owner, for whatever reason, decided at the time, that they didn't want the Painting, along with other goods, and threw them away. It is still an ongoing case. He doesn't need to prove the painting is rightfully his, he just needs to cast doubt over the ownership so that the painting can't be sold. Thanks Bishop. yes the ownership is a big thing, if they got it wrong they could be sued, so they have to be really careful. This, say the Blakes is irrefutable proof that the painting is theirs. He is a wealthy individual who is clueless to living in the real world. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 15, 2013: Thanks angiiiii, I totally agree with you, thanks for reading, nell. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 18, 2014: Hi Trogging, that's so true! bio je američki slikar i grafičar, poznat po pejzažima i pomorskim motivima, te kao jedan od najznačajnih likovnih umjetnika u SAD-u u 19. stoljeću.Bio je samouki umjetnik, a karijeru je započeo kao ilustrator za novine. Great story. Unfortunately, I have a bit of experience in trying to get Sotheby's to sell a piece. [4] It was included in their sale on 21 May 2009. Maybe that is what the Blake family are hoping for. The family believed the painting was by her. Oscars Best Picture Winners Best Picture Winners Golden Globes Emmys STARmeter Awards San Diego Comic-Con New York Comic-Con Sundance Film Festival Toronto Int'l Film Festival Awards Central Festival Central All Events In October 2013, the London Evening Standard reported that Shirley Rountree (Simon Murray's mother and a descendant of Sir Henry Blake) was suing Sotheby's for "return" of the painting. Winslow Homer (1836 – 1910) was a remarkable American painter who mastered several mediums, including oils and watercolors. [2] They were attending a fancy dress party in Arabian costume. [4] Only a change of ownership from Selena to Clifford has maybe helped to alter the dynamics of the argument. The 'well Selina is alright she married and owns a pub'.....try running one, and you will what hard work it is. Two different concepts I’m afraid! Despite their honest purchase or acquisition, they were considered to have received "stolen goods". The Painting was going up for sale at Sotheby's. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 08, 2018: Hi Lindsay, I tried searching all the sites going back a while but nothing new I am afraid. I hope it's resolved soon, for the family's sake. In other words, it was just a coincidence that she happened to be there at the same time as the sale. sounds like she is 'spitting in the wind' as my mum would say! Yes it would be great to go back home to where Homer comes from. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 22, 2015: Thanks anon, yes you are probably right there! That of course is what would happen if Selina agreed. I personally think the family that found the painting should be entitled to the total amount especially as there was no evidence of a burglary. March 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM The ... hand shop for a pound .Was only wanting the frame as i went to cut out the picture and noticed it has a signature with winslow homer on .Its a coastal oil painting .As i … They made the mistake of letting go of the painting somehow. If I were written of, as these Murray's are written of, I would be so very ashamed. Its easy to say well here's the evidence, but of course paintings get sold or lost over time, and this of course was 20 years later, not straight away. Just a question of time..... Selina, if you read these messages, take the 97% vote results to your lawyer, and sue the Blakes whe you successfully sue Sotheby's. Or did they come across them in a more nefarious scenario? Simon Murray, Sir Henry's great great grandson, gave an interview on camera stating that actually yes they did know of it, and refused to budge on the issue. the court should decided for goodness sake.. as for simon murray, what a pompous ass he was, when i watched that episode all those years ago i could believe people could be so far up themselves as Simon Murray, he's idiot and pathetic stab at Selena purchasing a pool.. twit that he was, i am glad he lost his claim. Tarot Cards - Pick Three Cards For A Free Reading. As I live one state over, I hope to see it one day. [12] Mr. Murray conducted further research among his family's papers and claims to have found a letter which described the circumstances under which the painting was produced.[4]. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 17, 2017: Thanks Pardelope, I believe its out of her hands now, which I am sure she is really pleased! The Blake's have NOTHING. Then came the biggest bombshell. Leading the revival of realism in the visual arts, the Art Renewal Center (ARC), a 501(C)(3), non-profit, educational foundation, hosts the largest online museum dedicated to realist art only and includes works by the old masters, 19th century, and contemporary realists as well as articles, letters and other online resources. If the family don't have the records then the insurers might have these records. In other words Selena may not have much say or push in court, but a top business man will. Winslow Homer (24. veljače 1836. [4] She rejected this offer and the parties initially agreed to continue the sale and resolve the dispute afterwards. And I almost wish that there was an afterlife so that Simon Murray, and people like him, would live with an eternal punishment for what they begat in life. Certainly not the admiration of the art world and fans of great art. [11] According to Mr. Murray, his family didn't know that the painting was stolen until it was put up for auction at Sotheby's. Everything was in place, the picture was ready, and all the catalogues had been sent out weeks before. TV's, sofa's, chairs and broken pieces of rubbish that they no longer want. Its just ridiculous now, surely they can sort something out? If there is no insurance records, and it was in the family's possession, then the family did not think it was valuable at the time, and probably did bin it. Great hub, I watched the TV programme the other night about the painting. Even worse, they claim that nobody had got in touch with them about it, and the first that they knew about the Painting was when Mrs. Blake had seen it in the newspaper in the States! luckily she played him at his own game, lol! In fact most value their artwork yearly. What we do not know: No one has any idea how, what, where its been all those previous years. Not only can it tell the story of the Artist, but if you look a bit closer, it can reveal a story of intrigue, greed or family feuds. I would think that by now the Blake's would be barred from claiming ownership either because of the doctrine of laches or the statute of limitations. Winslow Homer | ISBN 9780714839929 direct en eenvoudig te bestellen bij Boekhandel De Slegte. When Clifford Schorer, an American art dealer who specialises in Old Masters, realised that he had forgotten to buy a present for a colleague, he had no idea that a chain of coincidences was about to What pigs those people are. Hi Genee, Wow I never knew that! Winslow Homer's Children Under a Palm Tree Painting Scandal. At the date of transmission of the programme (26 June 2011) ownership was still the subject of a legal dispute. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 31, 2014: Hi Garp, yes that's so true, I did try getting in touch with Sotheby's but to no avail, they wouldn't give me any info, it seems its a stand off still! lol! I am so glad this lady has found a level of happiness, after the auction house attitude, and the sheet arrogance of the Murray family members. When asked why he wanted to sell the painting, he stated that, 'Myrtle Grove, the family house needs a lot of renevating and we need the money for that'! Nell Rose (author) from England on August 19, 2020: Exactly Shauna, it was just greed. Thanks so much for confirming the story, nell. Nell Rose (author) from England on March 08, 2017: LOL! Han vandt først et navn ved illustrationer, særlig efter Borgerkrigens udbrud, ved sine krigsscener for Harpers Weekly. At this point, Sotheby's had been in contact with Mrs. Blake, and she was told about the Painting. Nell Rose (author) from England on June 17, 2017: Thanks FF yes I totally agree with you, but luckily if you read near the bottom it worked out okay. It was well on the way to being sold for 150,000 pounds! That said, I DO like angiiiii's "solution"...sort of. Homer had then given their descendants the Painting as a gift. Does this mean you believe Selina and her family were in the wrong? "Children" is only one of several paintings being held at Sotheby's until the rightful owner is determined. According to Sothebys, they have issued a statement that says: 'The ownership of the painting is still being disputed and should be settled in the Courts'. Nell Rose (author) from England on February 03, 2020: If you read down the page, the answer is there. 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